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winbig
03-18-2009, 07:56 PM
I heard about these several months ago, I think they were testing them in France at the time, but can't remember precisely. They say that you can opt-out of this scan, but if you do, you'll be patted down by a TSA worker of the same sex....Why the pat downs? I doubt they're going to get rid of the metal detectors and x-ray machines..

But, this way will be much faster in getting through security. You won't have to empty all your pockets, take off your shoes, take your laptop out of its bag and stick it in its own tray, and also won't have to wait for people ahead of you to go through 50 times because they keep forgetting to take something out of their pockets. :rolleyes:


Federal security officials are using McCarran International Airport to test whether it would make sense to replace airport metal detectors throughout the nation with whole-body image scanners, devices that peer through travelers' clothing to ensure they aren't carrying weapons.

Transportation Security Administration officials on Tuesday fired up the second "whole-body imaging device" at McCarran, this one in Terminal 2, a departure point for international flights.

The second device is part of a pilot program to test whether imagers can replace metal detectors now in widespread use.

In about 60 days the TSA will evaluate the results from McCarran and five other airports and decide whether or not to continue with the plan.

"It's kind of a fine balance between safety of the passengers and privacy," said business traveler Paco Castellanos, 44, of Las Vegas.

The imaging devices caused a bit of a stir in June, when they were first rolled out as a secondary, optional screening method in about 20 airports. The first whole-body imager at McCarran went into use in October.

Castellanos, a leadership consultant who flies about once a month, recalled the outcry, but didn't share the outrage.

"I saw on the news it might be a little intrusive," he said. "I personally don't have a problem."

TSA is betting travelers like Castellanos are representative of the traveling public.

That's why the agency is continuing to experiment with the devices. The new wave represented in a pilot program at McCarran and five other airports is different from the first in that these scanners will be primary screening devices, meaning they could be used in place of a metal detector. The original machines are used in addition to metal detectors.

In each type of use, unidentifiable black-and-white images from the device are transmitted to a private room for viewing by human screeners. They use "millimeter wave" technology to scan the subjects and create the images.

The workers supervising the checkpoint do not see the images and the employees monitoring the screen shots do not see the subjects in person. Images are neither printed nor saved. They cannot be transmitted to other locations.

Whether the machines are being used in place of or in addition to metal detectors, travelers will have the choice to opt out of screening with the device.

The rest of the story: http://www.lvrj.com/business/41420602.html

vegasrocks
03-18-2009, 10:51 PM
This is great in one way. The fact that things will go so much faster and smoother in lines at the airports. I don't know how I feel really about how clear the images are supposed to be and what exactly people will be able to see.

This is something I would willingly deal with though to make our country safer.

Eyeofngt
03-19-2009, 12:18 AM
LOL Vegasrocks. I was thinking same thing. If it shows much I just hope not many at a time can see it..LOL But hey at least no one could hide anything..LOL

nutforslots
03-19-2009, 01:09 AM
Well I think it is a great idea. I hate to go through security. It takes too long and is embarassing. I mean you have to take off your shoes and somedays this is a bad idea. LOL

Secondly they should really get a grip on the identification thing. I went to Yuma last year and was given the wrong ticket. I didn't notice right away as I was nervous, I haven't flown in years.

Long story short the security people let me go through with the wrong ticket with the wrong name. If I hadn't noticed I would have ended up in Georgia. They are supposed to be watching and if they let me pass how many bad guys do you think could get through.

winbig
03-19-2009, 02:06 AM
Well I think it is a great idea. I hate to go through security. It takes too long and is embarassing. I mean you have to take off your shoes and somedays this is a bad idea. LOL

Secondly they should really get a grip on the identification thing. I went to Yuma last year and was given the wrong ticket. I didn't notice right away as I was nervous, I haven't flown in years.

Long story short the security people let me go through with the wrong ticket with the wrong name. If I hadn't noticed I would have ended up in Georgia. They are supposed to be watching and if they let me pass how many bad guys do you think could get through.

:eek:

That doesn't surprise me, actually. The TSA agents in the terminals don't get paid squat...But that is no excuse, because they are supposed to check your ID against the name on the ticket (before you go through the metal detectors,) and if they don't match, then go from there...I hope you reported that to a TSA supervisor...

1819
03-19-2009, 01:14 PM
not a big fan of tsa. it is all smoke and mirrors. i fly alot. one year flew 39 weekends out of 52. there is no reason to put people through the things we go through. if one wants to take down an aircraft there are a million ways to do it. no one is going to carry anything on a plane to make a difference. 9/11 was never going to be prevented and cannot be prevented again. a quick screen for a gun is common sense. liquid restrictions and everything else is garbage. i cant bring a knife on a plane but i get one with my meal onboard. i can disable anyone with the hot coffee they serve. the whole average joe walking on the plane with a bomb is crap. if some one wants a bomb on a plane they will get it there. the tsa is a joke. it is our fault though. the public demands answers to everything, even when there are none. we want to feel safe and extra police, national guardsman and full body scanners i guess do the trick.:rolleyes: the id thing is worthless. what's the difference? if i am a bad element i'm going to use fake id anyway. i have flown on different name tix a dozen times. before internet we would buy in bulk when the airlines ran a deal. who cared who's name was on the ticket? i remember the old days especially flying out of fll. a trip to bahamas was literally a half hour event. walk up, buy a ticket, half hour later you were there. now a 30 minute flight is an all day event. thumbs down tsa. thumbs down patriot act. ok my rant is over...

nutforslots
03-20-2009, 04:14 AM
OH but you do have a point. We do want to feel safe but have you watched the news lately the damn planes are falling out of the sky. I am afraid of the planes more than the terrorists.

Secondly there are many common items that could be substituted for other liquids that could go boom. Why don't they open them? I had my lens cleaner put through an ion machine. Do you suppose that it would change the properties of common household cleaners? I don't think so.

There are idiots out there who are going to do these things and we can't stop them. Especially when we spend all of our time looking at the wrong stuff.

I would also like to point out that I am a very friendly person and smile at everyone. I found myself being given odd looks by foriegners on my last trip to the airport. Is it me or are they suspicious of us? I want people to know that I don't distrust people because of nationality I distrust everyone.

My neighbor could be a murderer how do I know. If you walk down the street who is mugging you not the guy visiting from Iraq its the american gangster. Dang can't we all just quit and get along. I mean really this world is hard enough to survive.

VegasLuvsMe
03-20-2009, 01:37 PM
I don't have anthing to respond about now, y'all covered pretty much everything.

Ok, maybe the long international flights, where you think you will get a nice 5 or six hour nap and it ends up being a nightmare; with a child kicking your seat, a baby crying for hours on end, or friends or relatives having a catch-up conversation around you while you need that precious nap.

Those are my beefs. Next....